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Na prikupljanju sredstava Demokratske stranke predsjednik Obama otvoreno se rugao hvalisanju Donalda Trumpa svojim poslovnim uspjehom

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"Prodajem vino", rekao je Obama. "Nismo za to."

Pogrešan odrezak poput širenja istine o vašem poslovnom uspjehu nije ništa za "vino", ali zasigurno se lako ismijavati.

Prošli tjedan, republikanski predsjednički kandidat Donald Trump ponovno je došao na naslovnice za hvalisanje uspjehom svog vina, flaširane vode i odrezaka na pobjedničkom mitingu, od kojih je većina bila mrtva ili zapravo nije bila povezana s njim. Sada predsjednik osporava Trumpovu verziju istine i otvoreno ismijavao kontroverznog kandidata na nedavnoj akciji prikupljanja sredstava Demokratske stranke.

"Je li netko kupio to vino? Želim znati kakvog je okusa to vino", rekao je Obama smijući se u subotu pri prikupljanju sredstava. "Mislim, hajde. Znaš da je to poput vina od 5 dolara. Nalijepe mu etiketu. Naplaćuju ti 50 dolara i kažu da je to najbolje vino ikad."

Donald Trump zapravo nije povezan s Trump Wineom; njegov sin Eric posjeduje i upravlja tvrtkom. Obama je iskoristio nedavni Trumpov vinski propust kako bi dokazao još jednu činjenicu: vjeruje da GOP službeno nema ideja i održivih kandidata.

Predsjednik je potom prešao na ražnjeve Trump Steakova, kojih zapravo godinama nema na tržištu.

"Zamislite što bi Trump rekao da zaista ima ovakav rekord. Umjesto da proda odreske", rekao je Obama. "Umjesto toga, unutar druge strane imamo raspravu o fantaziji i porugama školskog dvorišta i prodavanju stvari poput kućne trgovačke mreže."

Jao. Vaša usluga, Trump.


Pisma uredniku: Poziv za opoziv: Nikada se nemojte smijati besramnom lažljivcu poput Trumpa

Uredniku: U drugom procesu opoziva bivšeg predsjednika Trumpa iz prve ruke vidimo da nije dovoljno samo osuditi fanatika i potencijalnog tiranina. Trump je glasno i jasno rekao za što se zalaže. On je jedini predsjednik za kojeg sam čuo da osuđuje čitave gradove jer su gradonačelnici bili demokrati. On nije bio predsjednik Sjedinjenih Država, bio je predsjednik samo republikanskih država.

Dana 6. siječnja dobili smo posljedice onoga što smo predugo ignorirali. Pobunjenici se love i optužuju, ali što je s glavnim pobunjenikom? A što je s Fox Newsom i svim ostalim desničarskim medijima koji šire Trumpove laži? Jednako su krivi.

To se nije dogodilo odjednom 6. siječnja, gradilo se godinama, potpomognuto svima koji su podržavali Trumpa i nama ostalima koji smo mu se smijali jer je bio odlična hrana za komičare, a ne netko koga je trebalo shvatiti ozbiljno . Pa iznenađenje.

Muškarci poput Trumpa koji flagrantno lažu najveća su opasnost s kojom se ova zemlja suočava, zajedno s medijima koji marljivo šire te laži. Nemojmo više nikada zanemariti takvog političara ili medije koji podržavaju te laži. Sram nas bilo svih. Znali smo bolje.

Uredniku: Svi znamo kako će završiti proces opoziva. Ipak, Trump ne može izbjeći osudu povijesti.

Zauvijek će ostati upamćen kao predsjednik koji je pokušao poništiti poštene izbore. Ljudi su govorili i izglasali su ga.

Trump je potaknuo nerede kako bi spriječio Kongres u prebrojavanju izbornih glasova. Poslao je bijesnu rulju da napadne potpredsjednika Mikea Pencea, predsjednicu Doma Pelosi (D-San Francisco) i bilo koga drugog, republikanca ili demokrata, koji mu je stao na put. On je zanemario svoju zakletvu Ustavu i američkom narodu.

Povijest će pamtiti kao najozloglašenije izdajnike ove zemlje, Benedikta Arnolda i Donalda Trumpa. Umjesto uvjerenja Senata, pretpostavljam da ćemo se time morati zadovoljiti.

Joyce Jacoby, Los Angeles

Uredniku: Senat će gotovo sigurno osloboditi Trumpa, ali uvijek će ga se pamtiti po tome što je zanemario pandemiju i pridonio smrti gotovo pola milijuna Amerikanaca i kolapsu američkog gospodarstva.

Ostat će zapamćen po tome što je pokušao osujetiti mirni prijenos vlasti zbog širenja laži da se njegov izborni gubitak temeljio na izbornim prijevarama u urbanim zajednicama u boji za orkestriranje kampanje za osporavanje potvrde glasačkog kolegija za okupljanje gomile koja je postala rulja koja je napala Kapitol i za postizanje razlike kao jedini predsjednik dva puta opozivan od strane Zastupničkog doma.

Granični zid, smanjenje poreza za bogate, imenovanje trojice sudaca Vrhovnog suda - sve će to biti bilješke o njegovoj nesposobnosti, okrutnosti, rasizmu i neznanju. Podijelit će razliku najgoreg predsjednika u povijesti s Andrewom Johnsonom, koji je također oslobođen nakon što je optužen.

Sidney Morrison, Los Angeles

Uredniku: Dok je Amerika gledala šokantne i odvratne slike rulje koja divlja po Kapitoliju, doslovno koristeći Trumpove zastave kao oružje protiv policajaca, vrijedi podsjetiti da je prije četiri godine netko rekao da su Trumpove pristaše u „košarici za žaljenje“, i izgubio na izborima vjerojatno kao rezultat toga.

Sada kada shvaćamo da je ova procjena bila jedno od velikih potcjenjivanja našeg vremena, ostaje pitanje kakav će izraz najbolje opisati sve manji broj senatora koji će, nakon što su vidjeli ono što smo svi vidjeli na suđenju o opozivu, odbiti glasati za osuđujuću presudu.

Michael Toohey Heilig, Venecija

Uredniku: Ako republikanski senatori, nakon što su čuli činjenične prezentacije upravitelja opoziva Doma, odluče ne osuditi Trumpa jer misle da će javnost uskoro zaboraviti pobunu 6. siječnja, pa im slijedi još jedna stvar.

"Siječanjska iznimka" zapečaćena je poput 11. rujna u američkom sjećanju.

Uredniku: Senat ne glasa o Trumpu. On predstavlja samo osnovni problem. Ne glasa se o filozofiji političkih stranaka, poput društvenih ili ekonomskih pitanja.

Glasanje o budućnosti demokracije u ovoj zemlji. Žele li senatori vladu voditi slobodno izabrani ljudi ili autokrati koji koriste zastrašivanje i silu kako bi preuzeli kontrolu?

Edward Gilbert, Studio City

Uredniku: Times nije trebao kao vijest nuditi ocjene svojih novinara da će suđenje u Senatu vjerojatno završiti oslobađajućom presudom.

Tijekom suđenja O.J. Simpson - ili što se toga tiče Charles Manson, Richard Ramirez ili Hillside Strangler - bi li Times više puta izjavljivao da je zbog straha ili kukavičluka porotnika oslobađajuća presuda vjerojatno? Ne, jer bi to pokazalo predrasude i nepoštivanje normi i standarda medija i objektivnosti suđenja.

Times čini oslobađajuću presudu razumnom ponavljajući je kao gotov zaključak.

Teri Bernstein, Santa Monica

Uredniku: Pitam se je li predstavnik Ted Lieu (D-Torrance) shvatio potencijalni utjecaj jednog od svojih komentara tijekom suđenja za opoziv. U onome što je možda bila linija za bacanje, nazvao je 6. siječnja 2021. "Dan ustanka".

To mi se učinilo izuzetno važnim uvidom iz više razloga.

Prvo, iako vjerojatno nikada neće biti državni praznik (iako se za to može argumentirati), 6. siječnja trebao bi postati godišnji dan nacionalnog promišljanja, kada političari na svim razinama, povjesničari, stručnjaci, novinari i prosvjetni radnici oduzimaju vrijeme ispitati uzroke, posljedice i spriječiti svako ponavljanje pobune.

Drugo, to može postati jedna, ali ne i jedina metoda, za deprogramiranje onih zabludjelih pojedinaca i suputnika koji su tog dana osramotili sebe i našu zemlju. Zavedeni uključuju sve senatore koji glasaju za oslobađanje Trumpa.

David L. Burdick, Ridgecrest, Kalifornija.

Uredniku: Ovo je bilo isto toliko postupak za opoziv kao i intervencija. Bože sačuvaj nas.

Richard Hawkins, Gardena

Uredniku: Svima koji još uvijek podržavaju Trumpa, sram vas bilo.


Pisma uredniku: Poziv za opoziv: Nikada se nemojte smijati besramnom lažljivcu poput Trumpa

Uredniku: U drugom procesu opoziva bivšeg predsjednika Trumpa iz prve ruke vidimo da nije dovoljno samo osuditi fanatika i potencijalnog tiranina. Trump je glasno i jasno rekao za što se zalaže. On je jedini predsjednik za kojeg sam čuo da osuđuje čitave gradove jer su gradonačelnici bili demokrati. On nije bio predsjednik Sjedinjenih Država, bio je predsjednik samo republikanskih država.

Dana 6. siječnja dobili smo posljedice onoga što smo predugo ignorirali. Pobunjenici se love i optužuju, ali što je s glavnim pobunjenikom? A što je s Fox Newsom i svim ostalim desničarskim medijima koji šire Trumpove laži? Jednako su krivi.

To se nije dogodilo odjednom 6. siječnja, gradilo se godinama, potpomognuto svima koji su podržavali Trumpa i nama ostalima koji smo mu se smijali jer je bio odlična hrana za komičare, a ne netko koga je trebalo shvatiti ozbiljno . Pa iznenađenje.

Muškarci poput Trumpa koji flagrantno lažu najveća su opasnost s kojom se ova zemlja suočava, zajedno s medijima koji marljivo šire te laži. Nemojmo više nikada zanemariti takvog političara ili medije koji podržavaju te laži. Sram nas bilo svih. Znali smo bolje.

Uredniku: Svi znamo kako će završiti proces opoziva. Ipak, Trump ne može izbjeći osudu povijesti.

Zauvijek će ostati upamćen kao predsjednik koji je pokušao poništiti poštene izbore. Ljudi su govorili i izglasali su ga.

Trump je potaknuo nerede kako bi spriječio Kongres u prebrojavanju izbornih glasova. Poslao je bijesnu rulju da napadne potpredsjednika Mikea Pencea, predsjednicu Doma Pelosi (D-San Francisco) i bilo koga drugog, republikanca ili demokrata, koji mu je stao na put. On je zanemario svoju zakletvu Ustavu i američkom narodu.

Povijest će pamtiti kao najozloglašenije izdajnike ove zemlje, Benedikta Arnolda i Donalda Trumpa. Umjesto uvjerenja Senata, pretpostavljam da ćemo se time morati zadovoljiti.

Joyce Jacoby, Los Angeles

Uredniku: Senat će gotovo sigurno osloboditi Trumpa, ali uvijek će ga se pamtiti po tome što je zanemario pandemiju i pridonio smrti gotovo pola milijuna Amerikanaca i kolapsu američkog gospodarstva.

Ostat će zapamćen po tome što je pokušao osujetiti mirni prijenos vlasti zbog širenja laži da se njegov izborni gubitak temeljio na izbornim prijevarama u urbanim zajednicama u boji za orkestriranje kampanje za osporavanje potvrde glasačkog kolegija za okupljanje gomile koja je postala rulja koja je napala Kapitol i za postizanje razlike kao jedini predsjednik dva puta opozivan od strane Zastupničkog doma.

Granični zid, smanjenje poreza za bogate, imenovanje trojice sudaca Vrhovnog suda - sve će to biti bilješke o njegovoj nesposobnosti, okrutnosti, rasizmu i neznanju. Podijelit će razliku najgoreg predsjednika u povijesti s Andrewom Johnsonom, koji je također oslobođen nakon što je optužen.

Sidney Morrison, Los Angeles

Uredniku: Dok je Amerika gledala šokantne i odvratne slike rulje koja divlja po Kapitoliju, doslovno koristeći Trumpove zastave kao oružje protiv policajaca, vrijedi podsjetiti da je prije četiri godine netko rekao da su Trumpove pristaše u „košarici za žaljenje“, i izgubio na izborima vjerojatno kao rezultat toga.

Sada kada shvaćamo da je ova procjena bila jedno od velikih potcjenjivanja našeg vremena, ostaje pitanje kakav će izraz najbolje opisati sve manji broj senatora koji će, nakon što su vidjeli ono što smo svi vidjeli na suđenju o opozivu, odbiti glasati za osuđujuću presudu.

Michael Toohey Heilig, Venecija

Uredniku: Ako republikanski senatori, nakon što su čuli činjenične prezentacije upravitelja opoziva Doma, odluče ne osuditi Trumpa jer misle da će javnost uskoro zaboraviti pobunu 6. siječnja, pa im slijedi još jedna stvar.

"Siječanjska iznimka" zapečaćena je poput 11. rujna u američkom sjećanju.

Uredniku: Senat ne glasa o Trumpu. On predstavlja samo osnovni problem. Ne glasa se o filozofiji političkih stranaka, poput društvenih ili ekonomskih pitanja.

Glasanje o budućnosti demokracije u ovoj zemlji. Žele li senatori vladu voditi slobodno izabrani ljudi ili autokrati koji koriste zastrašivanje i silu kako bi preuzeli kontrolu?

Edward Gilbert, Studio City

Uredniku: Times nije trebao kao vijest nuditi ocjene svojih novinara da će suđenje u Senatu vjerojatno završiti oslobađajućom presudom.

Tijekom suđenja O.J. Simpson - ili što se toga tiče Charles Manson, Richard Ramirez ili Hillside Strangler - bi li Times više puta izjavljivao da je, zbog straha ili kukavičluka žirija, oslobađajuća presuda vjerojatna? Ne, jer bi to pokazalo predrasude i nepoštivanje normi i standarda medija i objektivnosti suđenja.

Times čini oslobađajuću presudu razumnom ponavljajući je kao gotov zaključak.

Teri Bernstein, Santa Monica

Uredniku: Pitam se je li predstavnik Ted Lieu (D-Torrance) shvatio potencijalni utjecaj jednog od svojih komentara tijekom suđenja za opoziv. U onome što je možda bila linija za bacanje, nazvao je 6. siječnja 2021. "Dan ustanka".

To mi se učinilo izuzetno važnim uvidom iz više razloga.

Prvo, iako vjerojatno nikada neće biti državni praznik (iako se za to može argumentirati), 6. siječnja trebao bi postati godišnji dan nacionalnog promišljanja, kada političari na svim razinama, povjesničari, stručnjaci, novinari i prosvjetni radnici oduzimaju vrijeme ispitati uzroke, posljedice i spriječiti svako ponavljanje pobune.

Drugo, to može postati jedna, ali ne i jedina metoda, za deprogramiranje onih zabludjelih pojedinaca i suputnika koji su tog dana osramotili sebe i našu zemlju. Zavedeni uključuju sve senatore koji glasaju za oslobađanje Trumpa.

David L. Burdick, Ridgecrest, Kalifornija.

Uredniku: Ovo je bilo isto toliko postupak za opoziv kao i intervencija. Bože sačuvaj nas.

Richard Hawkins, Gardena

Uredniku: Svima koji još uvijek podržavaju Trumpa, sram vas bilo.


Pisma uredniku: Poziv za opoziv: Nikada se nemojte smijati besramnom lažljivcu poput Trumpa

Uredniku: U drugom procesu opoziva bivšeg predsjednika Trumpa iz prve ruke vidimo da nije dovoljno samo osuditi fanatika i potencijalnog tiranina. Trump je glasno i jasno rekao za što se zalaže. On je jedini predsjednik za kojeg sam čuo da osuđuje čitave gradove jer su gradonačelnici bili demokrati. On nije bio predsjednik Sjedinjenih Država, bio je predsjednik samo republikanskih država.

Dana 6. siječnja dobili smo posljedice onoga što smo predugo ignorirali. Pobunjenici se love i optužuju, ali što je s glavnim pobunjenikom? A što je s Fox Newsom i svim ostalim desničarskim medijima koji šire Trumpove laži? Jednako su krivi.

To se nije dogodilo iznenada 6. siječnja, gradilo se godinama, potpomognuto svima koji su podržavali Trumpa i nama ostalima koji smo mu se smijali jer je bio odlična hrana za komičare, a ne netko koga je trebalo shvatiti ozbiljno . Pa iznenađenje.

Muškarci poput Trumpa koji flagrantno lažu najveća su opasnost s kojom se ova zemlja suočava, zajedno s medijima koji marljivo šire te laži. Nemojmo više nikada zanemariti takvog političara ili medije koji podržavaju te laži. Sram nas bilo svih. Znali smo bolje.

Uredniku: Svi znamo kako će završiti proces opoziva. Ipak, Trump ne može izbjeći osudu povijesti.

Zauvijek će ostati upamćen kao predsjednik koji je pokušao poništiti poštene izbore. Ljudi su govorili i izglasali su ga.

Trump je potaknuo nerede kako bi spriječio Kongres u prebrojavanju izbornih glasova. Poslao je bijesnu rulju da napadne potpredsjednika Mikea Pencea, predsjednicu Doma Pelosi (D-San Francisco) i bilo koga drugog, republikanca ili demokrata, koji mu je stao na put. On je zanemario svoju zakletvu Ustavu i američkom narodu.

Povijest će pamtiti kao najozloglašenije izdajnike ove zemlje, Benedikta Arnolda i Donalda Trumpa. Umjesto uvjerenja Senata, pretpostavljam da ćemo se time morati zadovoljiti.

Joyce Jacoby, Los Angeles

Uredniku: Senat će gotovo sigurno osloboditi Trumpa, ali uvijek će ga se pamtiti po tome što je zanemario pandemiju i pridonio smrti gotovo pola milijuna Amerikanaca i kolapsu američkog gospodarstva.

Ostat će zapamćen po tome što je pokušao osujetiti mirni prijenos vlasti zbog širenja laži da se njegov izborni gubitak temeljio na izbornim prijevarama u urbanim zajednicama u boji za orkestriranje kampanje za osporavanje potvrde glasačkog kolegija za okupljanje gomile koja je postala rulja koja je napala Kapitol i za postizanje razlike kao jedini predsjednik dva puta opozivan od strane Zastupničkog doma.

Granični zid, smanjenje poreza za bogate, imenovanje trojice sudaca Vrhovnog suda - sve će to biti bilješke o njegovoj nesposobnosti, okrutnosti, rasizmu i neznanju. Podijelit će razliku najgoreg predsjednika u povijesti s Andrewom Johnsonom, koji je također oslobođen nakon što je optužen.

Sidney Morrison, Los Angeles

Uredniku: Dok je Amerika gledala šokantne i odvratne slike rulje koja divlja po Kapitoliju, doslovno koristeći Trumpove zastave kao oružje protiv policajaca, vrijedi podsjetiti da je prije četiri godine netko rekao da su Trumpove pristaše u „košarici za žaljenje“, i izgubio na izborima vjerojatno kao rezultat toga.

Sada kada shvaćamo da je ova procjena bila jedno od velikih potcjenjivanja našeg vremena, ostaje pitanje kakav će izraz najbolje opisati sve manji broj senatora koji će, nakon što su vidjeli ono što smo svi vidjeli na suđenju o opozivu, odbiti glasati za osuđujuću presudu.

Michael Toohey Heilig, Venecija

Uredniku: Ako republikanski senatori, nakon što su čuli činjenične prezentacije upravitelja opoziva Doma, odluče ne osuditi Trumpa jer misle da će javnost uskoro zaboraviti pobunu 6. siječnja, pa im slijedi još jedna stvar.

"Siječanjski izuzetak" zapečaćen je poput 11. rujna u američkom sjećanju.

Uredniku: Senat ne glasa o Trumpu. On predstavlja samo osnovni problem. Ne glasa se o filozofiji političkih stranaka, poput društvenih ili ekonomskih pitanja.

Glasanje o budućnosti demokracije u ovoj zemlji. Žele li senatori vladu voditi slobodno izabrani ljudi ili autokrati koji koriste zastrašivanje i silu kako bi preuzeli kontrolu?

Edward Gilbert, Studio City

Uredniku: Times nije trebao kao vijest nuditi ocjene svojih novinara da će suđenje u Senatu vjerojatno završiti oslobađajućom presudom.

Tijekom suđenja O.J. Simpson - ili što se toga tiče Charles Manson, Richard Ramirez ili Hillside Strangler - bi li Times više puta izjavljivao da je, zbog straha ili kukavičluka žirija, oslobađajuća presuda vjerojatna? Ne, jer bi to pokazalo predrasude i nepoštivanje normi i standarda medija i objektivnosti suđenja.

Times čini oslobađajuću presudu razumnom ponavljajući je kao gotov zaključak.

Teri Bernstein, Santa Monica

Uredniku: Pitam se je li predstavnik Ted Lieu (D-Torrance) shvatio potencijalni utjecaj jednog od svojih komentara tijekom suđenja za opoziv. U onome što je možda bila linija za bacanje, nazvao je 6. siječnja 2021. "Dan ustanka".

To mi se učinilo izuzetno važnim uvidom iz više razloga.

Prvo, iako vjerojatno nikada neće biti državni praznik (iako se za to može argumentirati), 6. siječnja trebao bi postati godišnji dan nacionalnog promišljanja, kada političari na svim razinama, povjesničari, stručnjaci, novinari i prosvjetni radnici oduzimaju vrijeme ispitati uzroke, posljedice i spriječiti svako ponavljanje pobune.

Drugo, to može postati jedna, ali ne i jedina metoda, za deprogramiranje onih zabludjelih pojedinaca i suputnika koji su tog dana osramotili sebe i našu zemlju. Zavedeni uključuju sve senatore koji glasaju za oslobađanje Trumpa.

David L. Burdick, Ridgecrest, Kalifornija.

Uredniku: Ovo je bilo isto toliko postupak za opoziv kao i intervencija. Bože sačuvaj nas.

Richard Hawkins, Gardena

Uredniku: Svima onima koji i dalje podržavaju Trumpa, sram vas bilo.


Pisma uredniku: Poziv za opoziv: Nikada se nemojte smijati besramnom lažljivcu poput Trumpa

Uredniku: U drugom procesu opoziva bivšeg predsjednika Trumpa iz prve ruke vidimo da nije dovoljno samo osuditi fanatika i potencijalnog tiranina. Trump je glasno i jasno rekao za što se zalaže. On je jedini predsjednik za kojeg sam čuo da osuđuje čitave gradove jer su gradonačelnici bili demokrati. On nije bio predsjednik Sjedinjenih Država, bio je predsjednik samo republikanskih država.

Dana 6. siječnja dobili smo posljedice onoga što smo predugo ignorirali. Pobunjenici se love i optužuju, ali što je s glavnim pobunjenikom? A što je s Fox Newsom i svim ostalim desničarskim medijima koji šire Trumpove laži? Jednako su krivi.

To se nije dogodilo odjednom 6. siječnja, gradilo se godinama, potpomognuto svima koji su podržavali Trumpa i nama ostalima koji smo mu se smijali jer je bio odlična hrana za komičare, a ne netko koga je trebalo shvatiti ozbiljno . Pa iznenađenje.

Muškarci poput Trumpa koji flagrantno lažu najveća su opasnost s kojom se ova zemlja suočava, zajedno s medijima koji marljivo šire te laži. Nemojmo više nikada zanemariti takvog političara ili medije koji podržavaju te laži. Sram nas bilo svih. Znali smo bolje.

Uredniku: Svi znamo kako će završiti proces opoziva. Ipak, Trump ne može izbjeći osudu povijesti.

Zauvijek će ostati upamćen kao predsjednik koji je pokušao poništiti poštene izbore. Ljudi su govorili i izglasali su ga.

Trump je potaknuo nerede kako bi spriječio Kongres u prebrojavanju izbornih glasova. Poslao je bijesnu rulju da napadne potpredsjednika Mikea Pencea, predsjednicu Doma Pelosi (D-San Francisco) i bilo koga drugog, republikanca ili demokrata, koji mu je stao na put. On je zanemario svoju zakletvu Ustavu i američkom narodu.

Povijest će pamtiti kao najozloglašenije izdajnike ove zemlje, Benedikta Arnolda i Donalda Trumpa. Umjesto uvjerenja Senata, pretpostavljam da ćemo se time morati zadovoljiti.

Joyce Jacoby, Los Angeles

Uredniku: Senat će gotovo sigurno osloboditi Trumpa, ali uvijek će ga se pamtiti po tome što je zanemario pandemiju i pridonio smrti gotovo pola milijuna Amerikanaca i kolapsu američkog gospodarstva.

Ostat će zapamćen po tome što je pokušao osujetiti mirni prijenos vlasti zbog širenja laži da se njegov izborni gubitak temeljio na izbornim prijevarama u urbanim zajednicama u boji za orkestriranje kampanje za osporavanje potvrde glasačkog kolegija za okupljanje gomile koja je postala rulja koja je napala Kapitol i za postizanje razlike kao jedini predsjednik dva puta opozivan od strane Zastupničkog doma.

Granični zid, smanjenje poreza za bogate, imenovanje trojice sudaca Vrhovnog suda - sve će to biti bilješke o njegovoj nesposobnosti, okrutnosti, rasizmu i neznanju. Podijelit će razliku najgoreg predsjednika u povijesti s Andrewom Johnsonom, koji je također oslobođen nakon što je optužen.

Sidney Morrison, Los Angeles

Uredniku: Dok je Amerika gledala šokantne i odvratne slike rulje koja divlja po Kapitoliju, doslovno koristeći Trumpove zastave kao oružje protiv policajaca, vrijedi podsjetiti da je prije četiri godine netko rekao da su Trumpove pristaše u „košarici za žaljenje“, i izgubio na izborima vjerojatno kao rezultat toga.

Sada kada shvaćamo da je ova procjena bila jedno od velikih potcjenjivanja našeg vremena, ostaje pitanje kakav će izraz najbolje opisati sve manji broj senatora koji će, nakon što su vidjeli ono što smo svi vidjeli na suđenju o opozivu, odbiti glasati za osuđujuću presudu.

Michael Toohey Heilig, Venecija

Uredniku: Ako republikanski senatori, nakon što su čuli činjenične prezentacije upravitelja opoziva Doma, odluče ne osuditi Trumpa jer misle da će javnost uskoro zaboraviti pobunu 6. siječnja, pa im slijedi još jedna stvar.

"Siječanjski izuzetak" zapečaćen je poput 11. rujna u američkom sjećanju.

Uredniku: Senat ne glasa o Trumpu. On predstavlja samo osnovni problem. Ne glasa se o filozofiji političkih stranaka, poput društvenih ili ekonomskih pitanja.

Glasanje o budućnosti demokracije u ovoj zemlji. Žele li senatori vladu voditi slobodno izabrani ljudi ili autokrati koji koriste zastrašivanje i silu kako bi preuzeli kontrolu?

Edward Gilbert, Studio City

Uredniku: Times nije trebao kao vijest nuditi ocjene svojih novinara da će suđenje u Senatu vjerojatno završiti oslobađajućom presudom.

Tijekom suđenja O.J. Simpson - ili što se toga tiče Charles Manson, Richard Ramirez ili Hillside Strangler - bi li Times više puta izjavljivao da je, zbog straha ili kukavičluka žirija, oslobađajuća presuda vjerojatna? Ne, jer bi to pokazalo predrasude i nepoštivanje normi i standarda medija i objektivnosti suđenja.

Times čini da oslobađajuća presuda izgleda razumno ponavljajući je kao gotov zaključak.

Teri Bernstein, Santa Monica

Uredniku: Pitam se je li zastupnik Ted Lieu (D-Torrance) shvatio potencijalni utjecaj jednog od svojih komentara tijekom suđenja za opoziv. U onome što je možda bila linija za bacanje, nazvao je 6. siječnja 2021. "Dan ustanka".

To mi se učinilo izuzetno važnim uvidom iz više razloga.

Prvo, iako vjerojatno nikada neće biti državni praznik (iako se za to može argumentirati), 6. siječnja trebao bi postati godišnji dan nacionalnog promišljanja, kada političari na svim razinama, povjesničari, stručnjaci, novinari i prosvjetni radnici oduzimaju vrijeme ispitati uzroke, posljedice i spriječiti svako ponavljanje pobune.

Drugo, to može postati jedna, ali ne i jedina metoda, za deprogramiranje onih zabludjelih pojedinaca i suputnika koji su tog dana osramotili sebe i našu zemlju. Zavedeni uključuju sve senatore koji glasaju za oslobađanje Trumpa.

David L. Burdick, Ridgecrest, Kalifornija.

Uredniku: Ovo je bilo isto toliko postupak za opoziv kao i intervencija. Bože sačuvaj nas.

Richard Hawkins, Gardena

Uredniku: Svima koji još uvijek podržavaju Trumpa, sram vas bilo.


Pisma uredniku: Poziv za opoziv: Nikada se nemojte smijati besramnom lažljivcu poput Trumpa

Uredniku: U drugom procesu opoziva bivšeg predsjednika Trumpa iz prve ruke vidimo da nije dovoljno samo osuditi fanatika i potencijalnog tiranina. Trump je glasno i jasno rekao za što se zalaže. On je jedini predsjednik za kojeg sam čuo da osuđuje čitave gradove jer su gradonačelnici bili demokrati. On nije bio predsjednik Sjedinjenih Država, bio je predsjednik samo republikanskih država.

Dana 6. siječnja dobili smo posljedice onoga što smo predugo ignorirali. Pobunjenici se love i optužuju, ali što je s glavnim pobunjenikom? A što je s Fox Newsom i svim ostalim desničarskim medijima koji šire Trumpove laži? Jednako su krivi.

To se nije dogodilo odjednom 6. siječnja, gradilo se godinama, potpomognuto svima koji su podržavali Trumpa i nama ostalima koji smo mu se smijali jer je bio odlična hrana za komičare, a ne netko koga je trebalo shvatiti ozbiljno . Pa iznenađenje.

Muškarci poput Trumpa koji flagrantno lažu najveća su opasnost s kojom se ova zemlja suočava, zajedno s medijima koji marljivo šire te laži. Nemojmo više nikada zanemariti takvog političara ili medije koji podržavaju te laži. Sram nas bilo svih. Znali smo bolje.

Uredniku: Svi znamo kako će završiti proces opoziva. Ipak, Trump ne može izbjeći osudu povijesti.

Zauvijek će ostati upamćen kao predsjednik koji je pokušao poništiti poštene izbore. Ljudi su govorili i izglasali su ga.

Trump je potaknuo nerede kako bi spriječio Kongres u prebrojavanju izbornih glasova. Poslao je bijesnu rulju da napadne potpredsjednika Mikea Pencea, predsjednicu Doma Pelosi (D-San Francisco) i bilo koga drugog, republikanca ili demokrata, koji mu je stao na put. On je zanemario svoju zakletvu Ustavu i američkom narodu.

Povijest će pamtiti kao najozloglašenije izdajnike ove zemlje, Benedikta Arnolda i Donalda Trumpa. Umjesto uvjerenja Senata, pretpostavljam da ćemo se time morati zadovoljiti.

Joyce Jacoby, Los Angeles

Uredniku: Senat će gotovo sigurno osloboditi Trumpa, ali uvijek će ga se pamtiti po tome što je zanemario pandemiju i pridonio smrti gotovo pola milijuna Amerikanaca i kolapsu američkog gospodarstva.

Ostat će zapamćen po tome što je pokušao osujetiti mirni prijenos vlasti zbog širenja laži da se njegov izborni gubitak temeljio na izbornim prijevarama u urbanim zajednicama u boji za orkestriranje kampanje za osporavanje potvrde glasačkog kolegija za okupljanje gomile koja je postala rulja koja je napala Kapitol i za postizanje razlike kao jedini predsjednik dva puta opozivan od strane Zastupničkog doma.

Granični zid, smanjenje poreza za bogate, imenovanje trojice sudaca Vrhovnog suda - sve će to biti bilješke o njegovoj nesposobnosti, okrutnosti, rasizmu i neznanju. Podijelit će razliku najgoreg predsjednika u povijesti s Andrewom Johnsonom, koji je također oslobođen nakon što je optužen.

Sidney Morrison, Los Angeles

Uredniku: Dok je Amerika gledala šokantne i odvratne slike rulje koja divlja po Kapitoliju, doslovno koristeći Trumpove zastave kao oružje protiv policajaca, vrijedi podsjetiti da je prije četiri godine netko rekao da su Trumpove pristaše u „košarici za žaljenje“, i izgubio na izborima vjerojatno kao rezultat toga.

Sada kada shvaćamo da je ova procjena bila jedno od velikih potcjenjivanja našeg vremena, ostaje pitanje kakav će izraz najbolje opisati sve manji broj senatora koji će, nakon što su vidjeli ono što smo svi vidjeli na suđenju o opozivu, odbiti glasati za osuđujuću presudu.

Michael Toohey Heilig, Venecija

Uredniku: Ako republikanski senatori, nakon što su čuli činjenične prezentacije upravitelja opoziva Doma, odluče ne osuditi Trumpa jer misle da će javnost uskoro zaboraviti pobunu 6. siječnja, pa im slijedi još jedna stvar.

"Siječanjska iznimka" zapečaćena je poput 11. rujna u američkom sjećanju.

Uredniku: Senat ne glasa o Trumpu. On predstavlja samo osnovni problem. Ne glasa se o filozofiji političkih stranaka, poput društvenih ili ekonomskih pitanja.

Glasanje o budućnosti demokracije u ovoj zemlji. Žele li senatori vladu voditi slobodno izabrani ljudi ili autokrati koji koriste zastrašivanje i silu kako bi preuzeli kontrolu?

Edward Gilbert, Studio City

Uredniku: Times nije trebao kao vijest nuditi ocjene svojih novinara da će suđenje u Senatu vjerojatno završiti oslobađajućom presudom.

Tijekom suđenja O.J. Simpson — or for that matter Charles Manson, Richard Ramirez or the Hillside Strangler — would The Times have stated repeatedly that, due to fear or cowardice of the jury members, acquittal was likely? No, as it would have shown prejudice and a disrespect for the norms and standards of media and trial objectivity.

The Times makes acquittal look reasonable by reiterating it as a foregone conclusion.

Teri Bernstein, Santa Monica

Uredniku: I wonder if Rep. Ted Lieu (D-Torrance) realizes the potential impact of one of his comments during the impeachment trial. In what may have been a throwaway line, he called Jan. 6, 2021, “Insurrection Day.”

It struck me as an extremely important insight for a number of reasons.

First, while it likely will never be a national holiday (although an argument can be made for it), Jan. 6 should become an annual day of national reflection, when sitting politicians at all levels, historians, pundits, journalists and educators take time to examine the causes, the consequences and the prevention of any repetition of the insurrection.

Second, it can become one method, but not the only one, for deprogramming those deluded individuals and fellow-travelers who disgraced themselves and our country on that date. The deluded include all senators who vote to acquit Trump.

David L. Burdick, Ridgecrest, Calif.

Uredniku: This was as much an impeachment trial as an intervention. God save us.

Richard Hawkins, Gardena

Uredniku: To all those who still support Trump, shame on you.


Letters to the Editor: The impeachment takeaway: Never laugh off a shameless liar like Trump

Uredniku: In former President Trump’s second impeachment trial, we are seeing firsthand that it’s not enough merely to condemn a bigot and would-be tyrant. Trump said loudly and clearly what he stood for. He is the only president I ever heard condemn entire cities because the mayors were Democrats. He was not president of the United States he was president only of the Republican states.

On Jan. 6, we got the consequences of what we ignored for too long. The insurrectionists are being hunted down and charged, but what about the insurrectionist in chief? And what about Fox News and all the other right-wing media that spread Trump’s lies? They are just as guilty.

This didn’t just suddenly happen on Jan. 6. it had been building for years, aided by everyone who supported Trump and the rest of us who laughed at him because he was great fodder for comedians and not someone who should have been taken seriously. Well, surprise surprise.

Men like Trump who flagrantly lie are the biggest danger this country faces, along with the media that assiduously circulate those lies. Let’s never ignore a politician like that again or the media that support those lies. Shame on us all. We knew better.

Uredniku: We all know how the impeachment trial will end. Still, Trump cannot avoid history’s condemnation.

He will forever be remembered as the president who tried to overturn a fair election. The people spoke, and they voted him out.

Trump incited a riot to stop Congress from counting the electoral votes. He sent an angry mob to attack Vice President Mike Pence, House Speaker Pelosi (D-San Francisco) and anyone else, Republican or Democrat, who stood in his way. He disregarded his oath to the Constitution and the American people.

History will remember as this country’s most notorious traitors Benedict Arnold and Donald Trump. In lieu of conviction by the Senate, I guess we will have to be satisfied with that.

Joyce Jacoby, Los Angeles

Uredniku: The Senate will almost certainly acquit Trump, but he will always be remembered for ignoring a pandemic and contributing to the death of almost half a million Americans and the collapse of the American economy.

He will be remembered for trying to thwart the peaceful transfer of power for spreading the lie that his election loss was based on election fraud in urban communities of color for orchestrating a campaign to challenge the certification of the electoral college vote for summoning the crowd that became the mob that assaulted the Capitol and for achieving the distinction of being the only president impeached twice by the House of Representatives.

The border wall, the tax cut for the wealthy, the appointment of three Supreme Court justices — all will be footnotes to his incompetence, cruelty, racism and ignorance. He will share the distinction of being the worst president in history with Andrew Johnson, who was also acquitted after being impeached.

Sidney Morrison, Los Angeles

Uredniku: As America has watched the shocking and disgusting images of the mob rampaging the Capitol, literally using Trump flags as weapons against law enforcement officers, it’s worth recalling that four years ago someone referred to Trump supporters as being in a “basket of deplorables,” and lost the election likely as a result.

Now that we realize this assessment to have been one of the great understatements of our time, the question remains as to what expression will best describe the hopefully dwindling number of senators who, having seen what we have all seen in the impeachment trial, will refuse to vote for conviction.

Michael Toohey Heilig, Venice

Uredniku: If Republican senators, after hearing the factual presentations of the House impeachment managers, choose not to convict Trump because they think the public will soon forget the Jan. 6 insurrection, well, they have another thing coming.

The “January exception” is being seared like Sept. 11 into American memories.

Uredniku: The Senate is not voting on Trump. He only represents the basic problem. It is not voting on the philosophy of political parties, such as social or economic issues.

It is voting on the future of democracy in this country. Do senators want the government run by people freely elected, or by autocrats who use intimidation and force to take control?

Edward Gilbert, Studio City

Uredniku: The Times should not have offered up as news its reporters’ assessments that the Senate trial will probably end in acquittal.

During the trial of O.J. Simpson — or for that matter Charles Manson, Richard Ramirez or the Hillside Strangler — would The Times have stated repeatedly that, due to fear or cowardice of the jury members, acquittal was likely? No, as it would have shown prejudice and a disrespect for the norms and standards of media and trial objectivity.

The Times makes acquittal look reasonable by reiterating it as a foregone conclusion.

Teri Bernstein, Santa Monica

Uredniku: I wonder if Rep. Ted Lieu (D-Torrance) realizes the potential impact of one of his comments during the impeachment trial. In what may have been a throwaway line, he called Jan. 6, 2021, “Insurrection Day.”

It struck me as an extremely important insight for a number of reasons.

First, while it likely will never be a national holiday (although an argument can be made for it), Jan. 6 should become an annual day of national reflection, when sitting politicians at all levels, historians, pundits, journalists and educators take time to examine the causes, the consequences and the prevention of any repetition of the insurrection.

Second, it can become one method, but not the only one, for deprogramming those deluded individuals and fellow-travelers who disgraced themselves and our country on that date. The deluded include all senators who vote to acquit Trump.

David L. Burdick, Ridgecrest, Calif.

Uredniku: This was as much an impeachment trial as an intervention. God save us.

Richard Hawkins, Gardena

Uredniku: To all those who still support Trump, shame on you.


Letters to the Editor: The impeachment takeaway: Never laugh off a shameless liar like Trump

Uredniku: In former President Trump’s second impeachment trial, we are seeing firsthand that it’s not enough merely to condemn a bigot and would-be tyrant. Trump said loudly and clearly what he stood for. He is the only president I ever heard condemn entire cities because the mayors were Democrats. He was not president of the United States he was president only of the Republican states.

On Jan. 6, we got the consequences of what we ignored for too long. The insurrectionists are being hunted down and charged, but what about the insurrectionist in chief? And what about Fox News and all the other right-wing media that spread Trump’s lies? They are just as guilty.

This didn’t just suddenly happen on Jan. 6. it had been building for years, aided by everyone who supported Trump and the rest of us who laughed at him because he was great fodder for comedians and not someone who should have been taken seriously. Well, surprise surprise.

Men like Trump who flagrantly lie are the biggest danger this country faces, along with the media that assiduously circulate those lies. Let’s never ignore a politician like that again or the media that support those lies. Shame on us all. We knew better.

Uredniku: We all know how the impeachment trial will end. Still, Trump cannot avoid history’s condemnation.

He will forever be remembered as the president who tried to overturn a fair election. The people spoke, and they voted him out.

Trump incited a riot to stop Congress from counting the electoral votes. He sent an angry mob to attack Vice President Mike Pence, House Speaker Pelosi (D-San Francisco) and anyone else, Republican or Democrat, who stood in his way. He disregarded his oath to the Constitution and the American people.

History will remember as this country’s most notorious traitors Benedict Arnold and Donald Trump. In lieu of conviction by the Senate, I guess we will have to be satisfied with that.

Joyce Jacoby, Los Angeles

Uredniku: The Senate will almost certainly acquit Trump, but he will always be remembered for ignoring a pandemic and contributing to the death of almost half a million Americans and the collapse of the American economy.

He will be remembered for trying to thwart the peaceful transfer of power for spreading the lie that his election loss was based on election fraud in urban communities of color for orchestrating a campaign to challenge the certification of the electoral college vote for summoning the crowd that became the mob that assaulted the Capitol and for achieving the distinction of being the only president impeached twice by the House of Representatives.

The border wall, the tax cut for the wealthy, the appointment of three Supreme Court justices — all will be footnotes to his incompetence, cruelty, racism and ignorance. He will share the distinction of being the worst president in history with Andrew Johnson, who was also acquitted after being impeached.

Sidney Morrison, Los Angeles

Uredniku: As America has watched the shocking and disgusting images of the mob rampaging the Capitol, literally using Trump flags as weapons against law enforcement officers, it’s worth recalling that four years ago someone referred to Trump supporters as being in a “basket of deplorables,” and lost the election likely as a result.

Now that we realize this assessment to have been one of the great understatements of our time, the question remains as to what expression will best describe the hopefully dwindling number of senators who, having seen what we have all seen in the impeachment trial, will refuse to vote for conviction.

Michael Toohey Heilig, Venice

Uredniku: If Republican senators, after hearing the factual presentations of the House impeachment managers, choose not to convict Trump because they think the public will soon forget the Jan. 6 insurrection, well, they have another thing coming.

The “January exception” is being seared like Sept. 11 into American memories.

Uredniku: The Senate is not voting on Trump. He only represents the basic problem. It is not voting on the philosophy of political parties, such as social or economic issues.

It is voting on the future of democracy in this country. Do senators want the government run by people freely elected, or by autocrats who use intimidation and force to take control?

Edward Gilbert, Studio City

Uredniku: The Times should not have offered up as news its reporters’ assessments that the Senate trial will probably end in acquittal.

During the trial of O.J. Simpson — or for that matter Charles Manson, Richard Ramirez or the Hillside Strangler — would The Times have stated repeatedly that, due to fear or cowardice of the jury members, acquittal was likely? No, as it would have shown prejudice and a disrespect for the norms and standards of media and trial objectivity.

The Times makes acquittal look reasonable by reiterating it as a foregone conclusion.

Teri Bernstein, Santa Monica

Uredniku: I wonder if Rep. Ted Lieu (D-Torrance) realizes the potential impact of one of his comments during the impeachment trial. In what may have been a throwaway line, he called Jan. 6, 2021, “Insurrection Day.”

It struck me as an extremely important insight for a number of reasons.

First, while it likely will never be a national holiday (although an argument can be made for it), Jan. 6 should become an annual day of national reflection, when sitting politicians at all levels, historians, pundits, journalists and educators take time to examine the causes, the consequences and the prevention of any repetition of the insurrection.

Second, it can become one method, but not the only one, for deprogramming those deluded individuals and fellow-travelers who disgraced themselves and our country on that date. The deluded include all senators who vote to acquit Trump.

David L. Burdick, Ridgecrest, Calif.

Uredniku: This was as much an impeachment trial as an intervention. God save us.

Richard Hawkins, Gardena

Uredniku: To all those who still support Trump, shame on you.


Letters to the Editor: The impeachment takeaway: Never laugh off a shameless liar like Trump

Uredniku: In former President Trump’s second impeachment trial, we are seeing firsthand that it’s not enough merely to condemn a bigot and would-be tyrant. Trump said loudly and clearly what he stood for. He is the only president I ever heard condemn entire cities because the mayors were Democrats. He was not president of the United States he was president only of the Republican states.

On Jan. 6, we got the consequences of what we ignored for too long. The insurrectionists are being hunted down and charged, but what about the insurrectionist in chief? And what about Fox News and all the other right-wing media that spread Trump’s lies? They are just as guilty.

This didn’t just suddenly happen on Jan. 6. it had been building for years, aided by everyone who supported Trump and the rest of us who laughed at him because he was great fodder for comedians and not someone who should have been taken seriously. Well, surprise surprise.

Men like Trump who flagrantly lie are the biggest danger this country faces, along with the media that assiduously circulate those lies. Let’s never ignore a politician like that again or the media that support those lies. Shame on us all. We knew better.

Uredniku: We all know how the impeachment trial will end. Still, Trump cannot avoid history’s condemnation.

He will forever be remembered as the president who tried to overturn a fair election. The people spoke, and they voted him out.

Trump incited a riot to stop Congress from counting the electoral votes. He sent an angry mob to attack Vice President Mike Pence, House Speaker Pelosi (D-San Francisco) and anyone else, Republican or Democrat, who stood in his way. He disregarded his oath to the Constitution and the American people.

History will remember as this country’s most notorious traitors Benedict Arnold and Donald Trump. In lieu of conviction by the Senate, I guess we will have to be satisfied with that.

Joyce Jacoby, Los Angeles

Uredniku: The Senate will almost certainly acquit Trump, but he will always be remembered for ignoring a pandemic and contributing to the death of almost half a million Americans and the collapse of the American economy.

He will be remembered for trying to thwart the peaceful transfer of power for spreading the lie that his election loss was based on election fraud in urban communities of color for orchestrating a campaign to challenge the certification of the electoral college vote for summoning the crowd that became the mob that assaulted the Capitol and for achieving the distinction of being the only president impeached twice by the House of Representatives.

The border wall, the tax cut for the wealthy, the appointment of three Supreme Court justices — all will be footnotes to his incompetence, cruelty, racism and ignorance. He will share the distinction of being the worst president in history with Andrew Johnson, who was also acquitted after being impeached.

Sidney Morrison, Los Angeles

Uredniku: As America has watched the shocking and disgusting images of the mob rampaging the Capitol, literally using Trump flags as weapons against law enforcement officers, it’s worth recalling that four years ago someone referred to Trump supporters as being in a “basket of deplorables,” and lost the election likely as a result.

Now that we realize this assessment to have been one of the great understatements of our time, the question remains as to what expression will best describe the hopefully dwindling number of senators who, having seen what we have all seen in the impeachment trial, will refuse to vote for conviction.

Michael Toohey Heilig, Venice

Uredniku: If Republican senators, after hearing the factual presentations of the House impeachment managers, choose not to convict Trump because they think the public will soon forget the Jan. 6 insurrection, well, they have another thing coming.

The “January exception” is being seared like Sept. 11 into American memories.

Uredniku: The Senate is not voting on Trump. He only represents the basic problem. It is not voting on the philosophy of political parties, such as social or economic issues.

It is voting on the future of democracy in this country. Do senators want the government run by people freely elected, or by autocrats who use intimidation and force to take control?

Edward Gilbert, Studio City

Uredniku: The Times should not have offered up as news its reporters’ assessments that the Senate trial will probably end in acquittal.

During the trial of O.J. Simpson — or for that matter Charles Manson, Richard Ramirez or the Hillside Strangler — would The Times have stated repeatedly that, due to fear or cowardice of the jury members, acquittal was likely? No, as it would have shown prejudice and a disrespect for the norms and standards of media and trial objectivity.

The Times makes acquittal look reasonable by reiterating it as a foregone conclusion.

Teri Bernstein, Santa Monica

Uredniku: I wonder if Rep. Ted Lieu (D-Torrance) realizes the potential impact of one of his comments during the impeachment trial. In what may have been a throwaway line, he called Jan. 6, 2021, “Insurrection Day.”

It struck me as an extremely important insight for a number of reasons.

First, while it likely will never be a national holiday (although an argument can be made for it), Jan. 6 should become an annual day of national reflection, when sitting politicians at all levels, historians, pundits, journalists and educators take time to examine the causes, the consequences and the prevention of any repetition of the insurrection.

Second, it can become one method, but not the only one, for deprogramming those deluded individuals and fellow-travelers who disgraced themselves and our country on that date. The deluded include all senators who vote to acquit Trump.

David L. Burdick, Ridgecrest, Calif.

Uredniku: This was as much an impeachment trial as an intervention. God save us.

Richard Hawkins, Gardena

Uredniku: To all those who still support Trump, shame on you.


Letters to the Editor: The impeachment takeaway: Never laugh off a shameless liar like Trump

Uredniku: In former President Trump’s second impeachment trial, we are seeing firsthand that it’s not enough merely to condemn a bigot and would-be tyrant. Trump said loudly and clearly what he stood for. He is the only president I ever heard condemn entire cities because the mayors were Democrats. He was not president of the United States he was president only of the Republican states.

On Jan. 6, we got the consequences of what we ignored for too long. The insurrectionists are being hunted down and charged, but what about the insurrectionist in chief? And what about Fox News and all the other right-wing media that spread Trump’s lies? They are just as guilty.

This didn’t just suddenly happen on Jan. 6. it had been building for years, aided by everyone who supported Trump and the rest of us who laughed at him because he was great fodder for comedians and not someone who should have been taken seriously. Well, surprise surprise.

Men like Trump who flagrantly lie are the biggest danger this country faces, along with the media that assiduously circulate those lies. Let’s never ignore a politician like that again or the media that support those lies. Shame on us all. We knew better.

Uredniku: We all know how the impeachment trial will end. Still, Trump cannot avoid history’s condemnation.

He will forever be remembered as the president who tried to overturn a fair election. The people spoke, and they voted him out.

Trump incited a riot to stop Congress from counting the electoral votes. He sent an angry mob to attack Vice President Mike Pence, House Speaker Pelosi (D-San Francisco) and anyone else, Republican or Democrat, who stood in his way. He disregarded his oath to the Constitution and the American people.

History will remember as this country’s most notorious traitors Benedict Arnold and Donald Trump. In lieu of conviction by the Senate, I guess we will have to be satisfied with that.

Joyce Jacoby, Los Angeles

Uredniku: The Senate will almost certainly acquit Trump, but he will always be remembered for ignoring a pandemic and contributing to the death of almost half a million Americans and the collapse of the American economy.

He will be remembered for trying to thwart the peaceful transfer of power for spreading the lie that his election loss was based on election fraud in urban communities of color for orchestrating a campaign to challenge the certification of the electoral college vote for summoning the crowd that became the mob that assaulted the Capitol and for achieving the distinction of being the only president impeached twice by the House of Representatives.

The border wall, the tax cut for the wealthy, the appointment of three Supreme Court justices — all will be footnotes to his incompetence, cruelty, racism and ignorance. He will share the distinction of being the worst president in history with Andrew Johnson, who was also acquitted after being impeached.

Sidney Morrison, Los Angeles

Uredniku: As America has watched the shocking and disgusting images of the mob rampaging the Capitol, literally using Trump flags as weapons against law enforcement officers, it’s worth recalling that four years ago someone referred to Trump supporters as being in a “basket of deplorables,” and lost the election likely as a result.

Now that we realize this assessment to have been one of the great understatements of our time, the question remains as to what expression will best describe the hopefully dwindling number of senators who, having seen what we have all seen in the impeachment trial, will refuse to vote for conviction.

Michael Toohey Heilig, Venice

Uredniku: If Republican senators, after hearing the factual presentations of the House impeachment managers, choose not to convict Trump because they think the public will soon forget the Jan. 6 insurrection, well, they have another thing coming.

The “January exception” is being seared like Sept. 11 into American memories.

Uredniku: The Senate is not voting on Trump. He only represents the basic problem. It is not voting on the philosophy of political parties, such as social or economic issues.

It is voting on the future of democracy in this country. Do senators want the government run by people freely elected, or by autocrats who use intimidation and force to take control?

Edward Gilbert, Studio City

Uredniku: The Times should not have offered up as news its reporters’ assessments that the Senate trial will probably end in acquittal.

During the trial of O.J. Simpson — or for that matter Charles Manson, Richard Ramirez or the Hillside Strangler — would The Times have stated repeatedly that, due to fear or cowardice of the jury members, acquittal was likely? No, as it would have shown prejudice and a disrespect for the norms and standards of media and trial objectivity.

The Times makes acquittal look reasonable by reiterating it as a foregone conclusion.

Teri Bernstein, Santa Monica

Uredniku: I wonder if Rep. Ted Lieu (D-Torrance) realizes the potential impact of one of his comments during the impeachment trial. In what may have been a throwaway line, he called Jan. 6, 2021, “Insurrection Day.”

It struck me as an extremely important insight for a number of reasons.

First, while it likely will never be a national holiday (although an argument can be made for it), Jan. 6 should become an annual day of national reflection, when sitting politicians at all levels, historians, pundits, journalists and educators take time to examine the causes, the consequences and the prevention of any repetition of the insurrection.

Second, it can become one method, but not the only one, for deprogramming those deluded individuals and fellow-travelers who disgraced themselves and our country on that date. The deluded include all senators who vote to acquit Trump.

David L. Burdick, Ridgecrest, Calif.

Uredniku: This was as much an impeachment trial as an intervention. God save us.

Richard Hawkins, Gardena

Uredniku: To all those who still support Trump, shame on you.


Letters to the Editor: The impeachment takeaway: Never laugh off a shameless liar like Trump

Uredniku: In former President Trump’s second impeachment trial, we are seeing firsthand that it’s not enough merely to condemn a bigot and would-be tyrant. Trump said loudly and clearly what he stood for. He is the only president I ever heard condemn entire cities because the mayors were Democrats. He was not president of the United States he was president only of the Republican states.

On Jan. 6, we got the consequences of what we ignored for too long. The insurrectionists are being hunted down and charged, but what about the insurrectionist in chief? And what about Fox News and all the other right-wing media that spread Trump’s lies? They are just as guilty.

This didn’t just suddenly happen on Jan. 6. it had been building for years, aided by everyone who supported Trump and the rest of us who laughed at him because he was great fodder for comedians and not someone who should have been taken seriously. Well, surprise surprise.

Men like Trump who flagrantly lie are the biggest danger this country faces, along with the media that assiduously circulate those lies. Let’s never ignore a politician like that again or the media that support those lies. Shame on us all. We knew better.

Uredniku: We all know how the impeachment trial will end. Still, Trump cannot avoid history’s condemnation.

He will forever be remembered as the president who tried to overturn a fair election. The people spoke, and they voted him out.

Trump incited a riot to stop Congress from counting the electoral votes. He sent an angry mob to attack Vice President Mike Pence, House Speaker Pelosi (D-San Francisco) and anyone else, Republican or Democrat, who stood in his way. He disregarded his oath to the Constitution and the American people.

History will remember as this country’s most notorious traitors Benedict Arnold and Donald Trump. In lieu of conviction by the Senate, I guess we will have to be satisfied with that.

Joyce Jacoby, Los Angeles

Uredniku: The Senate will almost certainly acquit Trump, but he will always be remembered for ignoring a pandemic and contributing to the death of almost half a million Americans and the collapse of the American economy.

He will be remembered for trying to thwart the peaceful transfer of power for spreading the lie that his election loss was based on election fraud in urban communities of color for orchestrating a campaign to challenge the certification of the electoral college vote for summoning the crowd that became the mob that assaulted the Capitol and for achieving the distinction of being the only president impeached twice by the House of Representatives.

The border wall, the tax cut for the wealthy, the appointment of three Supreme Court justices — all will be footnotes to his incompetence, cruelty, racism and ignorance. He will share the distinction of being the worst president in history with Andrew Johnson, who was also acquitted after being impeached.

Sidney Morrison, Los Angeles

Uredniku: As America has watched the shocking and disgusting images of the mob rampaging the Capitol, literally using Trump flags as weapons against law enforcement officers, it’s worth recalling that four years ago someone referred to Trump supporters as being in a “basket of deplorables,” and lost the election likely as a result.

Now that we realize this assessment to have been one of the great understatements of our time, the question remains as to what expression will best describe the hopefully dwindling number of senators who, having seen what we have all seen in the impeachment trial, will refuse to vote for conviction.

Michael Toohey Heilig, Venice

Uredniku: If Republican senators, after hearing the factual presentations of the House impeachment managers, choose not to convict Trump because they think the public will soon forget the Jan. 6 insurrection, well, they have another thing coming.

The “January exception” is being seared like Sept. 11 into American memories.

Uredniku: The Senate is not voting on Trump. He only represents the basic problem. It is not voting on the philosophy of political parties, such as social or economic issues.

It is voting on the future of democracy in this country. Do senators want the government run by people freely elected, or by autocrats who use intimidation and force to take control?

Edward Gilbert, Studio City

Uredniku: The Times should not have offered up as news its reporters’ assessments that the Senate trial will probably end in acquittal.

During the trial of O.J. Simpson — or for that matter Charles Manson, Richard Ramirez or the Hillside Strangler — would The Times have stated repeatedly that, due to fear or cowardice of the jury members, acquittal was likely? No, as it would have shown prejudice and a disrespect for the norms and standards of media and trial objectivity.

The Times makes acquittal look reasonable by reiterating it as a foregone conclusion.

Teri Bernstein, Santa Monica

Uredniku: I wonder if Rep. Ted Lieu (D-Torrance) realizes the potential impact of one of his comments during the impeachment trial. In what may have been a throwaway line, he called Jan. 6, 2021, “Insurrection Day.”

It struck me as an extremely important insight for a number of reasons.

First, while it likely will never be a national holiday (although an argument can be made for it), Jan. 6 should become an annual day of national reflection, when sitting politicians at all levels, historians, pundits, journalists and educators take time to examine the causes, the consequences and the prevention of any repetition of the insurrection.

Second, it can become one method, but not the only one, for deprogramming those deluded individuals and fellow-travelers who disgraced themselves and our country on that date. The deluded include all senators who vote to acquit Trump.

David L. Burdick, Ridgecrest, Calif.

Uredniku: This was as much an impeachment trial as an intervention. God save us.

Richard Hawkins, Gardena

Uredniku: To all those who still support Trump, shame on you.



Komentari:

  1. Morn

    Ne možete ni doći do dna.

  2. Dubh

    how to act in this case?

  3. Kyron

    Odobreno, to je zabavno mišljenje

  4. Jesus

    Super class !!!

  5. Jumoke

    očišćeno je

  6. Tejinn

    U ovome je nešto.

  7. Tevin

    Not an expert?



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